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		<title>By: sweetney</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2008/07/community-is-hard-deal-with-it/comment-page-3/#comment-19432</link>
		<dc:creator>sweetney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in case you missed it:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fussypants and Sweetney have kissed and made up. Everyone please resume life as usual. Thanks.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and have a good holiday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in case you missed it:</p>
<p>Fussypants and Sweetney have kissed and made up. Everyone please resume life as usual. Thanks.  </p>
<p>and have a good holiday.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2008/07/community-is-hard-deal-with-it/comment-page-3/#comment-19431</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sweetney&#039;s tweets and her subsequent posts (not Tracey herself mind you, but her written words) are petty and unnecessary.  I have been disillusioned with her lack of insight and defensiveness for sometime...this is not the first occurrence.  I will not read her any more. (For the record, I do not read Fussypants either).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sweetney&#8217;s tweets and her subsequent posts (not Tracey herself mind you, but her written words) are petty and unnecessary.  I have been disillusioned with her lack of insight and defensiveness for sometime&#8230;this is not the first occurrence.  I will not read her any more. (For the record, I do not read Fussypants either).</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2008/07/community-is-hard-deal-with-it/comment-page-3/#comment-19430</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I mentioned my favourite authors being jerks in their real life, I was talking about Anais Nin, Henry Miller, etc.  -- not any blogging writers!  Oops -- see, it&#039;s so easy to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I mentioned my favourite authors being jerks in their real life, I was talking about Anais Nin, Henry Miller, etc.  &#8212; not any blogging writers!  Oops &#8212; see, it&#8217;s so easy to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2008/07/community-is-hard-deal-with-it/comment-page-3/#comment-19429</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about all of this that is interesting to me, as just a stay-at-home mom reader of blogs, is that it really hit home to me from all the comments that these bloggers are in business. Most of the blogs I read claim they originated out of a desire to chronicle their childrens’ lives, a need to overcome the isolation of depression or a pull to belong to a community. And, although that seems to have once been the case, there is a lot of talk of copyright infringement, goodwill, supporting families, etc. that made me realize, “Of course, these people are self-publishing writers, with writer conventions, who respond to readers in order to foster their web presence and who have contests to keep them coming back and to attract advertisers.” I don’t really care if my favourite authors are jerks in their personal lives — most of them are, but I think the idea of a supportive blogging community is part of the fallacy I’m being sold as a reader and maybe it’s time to call a spade a spade and let it go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about all of this that is interesting to me, as just a stay-at-home mom reader of blogs, is that it really hit home to me from all the comments that these bloggers are in business. Most of the blogs I read claim they originated out of a desire to chronicle their childrens’ lives, a need to overcome the isolation of depression or a pull to belong to a community. And, although that seems to have once been the case, there is a lot of talk of copyright infringement, goodwill, supporting families, etc. that made me realize, “Of course, these people are self-publishing writers, with writer conventions, who respond to readers in order to foster their web presence and who have contests to keep them coming back and to attract advertisers.” I don’t really care if my favourite authors are jerks in their personal lives — most of them are, but I think the idea of a supportive blogging community is part of the fallacy I’m being sold as a reader and maybe it’s time to call a spade a spade and let it go.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey McWearingChaps</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2008/07/community-is-hard-deal-with-it/comment-page-3/#comment-19428</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkey McWearingChaps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarious. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Someone who runs a website that basically repackages information found on other celebrity blogs &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rolls out another tired &quot;mom reviews&quot; website (Cool Mom Picks, Sundry Buzz, Mightywhatever)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;called another blogger derivative. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fuck I&#039;m happy I have a real job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious. </p>
<p>Someone who runs a website that basically repackages information found on other celebrity blogs </p>
<p>and </p>
<p>Rolls out another tired &#8220;mom reviews&#8221; website (Cool Mom Picks, Sundry Buzz, Mightywhatever)</p>
<p>called another blogger derivative. </p>
<p>Fuck I&#8217;m happy I have a real job.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2008/07/community-is-hard-deal-with-it/comment-page-3/#comment-19427</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yawn. Get over yourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn. Get over yourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: To Think is to Create</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2008/07/community-is-hard-deal-with-it/comment-page-3/#comment-19426</link>
		<dc:creator>To Think is to Create</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh gawd, my comment looks even longer once I hit publish!  Now I&#039;m the girl who can&#039;t shut up...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I forgot to say that I hadn&#039;t heard of you until Sweetney linked you at the Johnson &amp; Johnson thing saying &quot;Nether Home&quot; on video and I knew I&#039;d found a kindred spirit.  Smart girls rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh gawd, my comment looks even longer once I hit publish!  Now I&#8217;m the girl who can&#8217;t shut up&#8230;</p>
<p>I forgot to say that I hadn&#8217;t heard of you until Sweetney linked you at the Johnson &#038; Johnson thing saying &#8220;Nether Home&#8221; on video and I knew I&#8217;d found a kindred spirit.  Smart girls rock.</p>
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		<title>By: To Think is to Create</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2008/07/community-is-hard-deal-with-it/comment-page-3/#comment-19425</link>
		<dc:creator>To Think is to Create</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all have such a great discussion going here, really honest and mostly civil.  I&#039;m impressed.  Sorry for this super long comment...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A few things...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;First, I would not have thought much about Sweetney&#039;s comments until the &quot;parasitic&quot; tweet came through.  The others, to me, seemed normal snarky Sweetney that I love to read because of said snarkiness.  That one crossed the line, passing just &quot;opinion, and into mud slinging, imo.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Second, to debate the actual comments, I totally disagree that there are similarities, other than &quot;fussy&quot; being part of the name.  It was frustrating to me that Fussypants was compared to Bossy because of her photoshopping, when many MANY have done that before even Bossy came along.  Fussypants was also compared to Amalah&#039;s Smackdown, which I have loved forever and ever amen, but said comparison totally perplexed me.  I don&#039;t know if this was the implication, but I don&#039;t agree that only one person can talk about fashion or beauty in a funny way or else be considered copying.  Then there was the comparison to Dooce, which is weird and maybe I misunderstood and Sweetney was referencing her own comparisons to Dooce by others in the past, but I can&#039;t be sure. At any rate, Dooce didn&#039;t invent sarcasm.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have heard from other bloggers prior to this whole thing, that they believed Fussypants copied Bossy, but I just can&#039;t get on board.  It feels like they are picking on someone just because they don&#039;t like them as a person (because she&#039;s not snarky or because she talks about her faith or because she&#039;s just not like them), which is their right, but I just disagree.  Even in Fussypants&#039; post responding she says that she adored Sweetney.  Let&#039;s not discuss the Fussypants commenters, because they made me cringe.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, I actually am REALLY glad that Sweetney came on here saying she&#039;s not a Mean Girl.  When I saw the parasitic thing, it rang mean girl-ish only b/c she&#039;s &quot;popular&quot;.  I know she doesn&#039;t see herself that way, but she is nonetheless.  I was disappointed in the tweet, but I&#039;m really happy for this post and her response.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For me, the only reason the whole A-list stuff even came to mind was not because of traffic or elite-type attitudes, but because it sometimes feels like bigger bloggers assume EVERYONE must know who the big bloggers are.  I haven&#039;t ever read Fussy or heard of her.  Bossy is very new to me.  I have no idea if I&#039;m copying anyone, because I&#039;m just being me, and no I did not do a thorough search and background check and sniff test before naming my blog.  I just picked a name and ran.  I think Sweetney&#039;s point was that the &quot;copying&quot; was intentional, hence the parasitic comment, but all it takes is reading a few Fussypants posts to see that any copying (which I don&#039;t think is there) is unintentional.  I know our opinions differ.  No big deal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally, I know everyone is saying how this &quot;worries&quot; them, and I don&#039;t know how I feel about blogging anymore blah blah blah, but I don&#039;t feel that way.  I know we all would like to avoid drama, but I come from a family that talks/fights/yells it out and we are all closer afterwards.  Pretending like things aren&#039;t going on is anything but helpful.  As much as I don&#039;t agree with the call out being public, with no communication to the actual person you are calling out, I do think this all can benefit us if we want it to.  I hope that people can see that talking about stuff isn&#039;t bad, and that in the future people from both sides can avoid taking things so low.  Neither side deserves it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hope you meet some of you at Blogher!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all have such a great discussion going here, really honest and mostly civil.  I&#8217;m impressed.  Sorry for this super long comment&#8230;</p>
<p>A few things&#8230;</p>
<p>First, I would not have thought much about Sweetney&#8217;s comments until the &#8220;parasitic&#8221; tweet came through.  The others, to me, seemed normal snarky Sweetney that I love to read because of said snarkiness.  That one crossed the line, passing just &#8220;opinion, and into mud slinging, imo.  </p>
<p>Second, to debate the actual comments, I totally disagree that there are similarities, other than &#8220;fussy&#8221; being part of the name.  It was frustrating to me that Fussypants was compared to Bossy because of her photoshopping, when many MANY have done that before even Bossy came along.  Fussypants was also compared to Amalah&#8217;s Smackdown, which I have loved forever and ever amen, but said comparison totally perplexed me.  I don&#8217;t know if this was the implication, but I don&#8217;t agree that only one person can talk about fashion or beauty in a funny way or else be considered copying.  Then there was the comparison to Dooce, which is weird and maybe I misunderstood and Sweetney was referencing her own comparisons to Dooce by others in the past, but I can&#8217;t be sure. At any rate, Dooce didn&#8217;t invent sarcasm.  </p>
<p>I have heard from other bloggers prior to this whole thing, that they believed Fussypants copied Bossy, but I just can&#8217;t get on board.  It feels like they are picking on someone just because they don&#8217;t like them as a person (because she&#8217;s not snarky or because she talks about her faith or because she&#8217;s just not like them), which is their right, but I just disagree.  Even in Fussypants&#8217; post responding she says that she adored Sweetney.  Let&#8217;s not discuss the Fussypants commenters, because they made me cringe.</p>
<p>Also, I actually am REALLY glad that Sweetney came on here saying she&#8217;s not a Mean Girl.  When I saw the parasitic thing, it rang mean girl-ish only b/c she&#8217;s &#8220;popular&#8221;.  I know she doesn&#8217;t see herself that way, but she is nonetheless.  I was disappointed in the tweet, but I&#8217;m really happy for this post and her response.  </p>
<p>For me, the only reason the whole A-list stuff even came to mind was not because of traffic or elite-type attitudes, but because it sometimes feels like bigger bloggers assume EVERYONE must know who the big bloggers are.  I haven&#8217;t ever read Fussy or heard of her.  Bossy is very new to me.  I have no idea if I&#8217;m copying anyone, because I&#8217;m just being me, and no I did not do a thorough search and background check and sniff test before naming my blog.  I just picked a name and ran.  I think Sweetney&#8217;s point was that the &#8220;copying&#8221; was intentional, hence the parasitic comment, but all it takes is reading a few Fussypants posts to see that any copying (which I don&#8217;t think is there) is unintentional.  I know our opinions differ.  No big deal.</p>
<p>Finally, I know everyone is saying how this &#8220;worries&#8221; them, and I don&#8217;t know how I feel about blogging anymore blah blah blah, but I don&#8217;t feel that way.  I know we all would like to avoid drama, but I come from a family that talks/fights/yells it out and we are all closer afterwards.  Pretending like things aren&#8217;t going on is anything but helpful.  As much as I don&#8217;t agree with the call out being public, with no communication to the actual person you are calling out, I do think this all can benefit us if we want it to.  I hope that people can see that talking about stuff isn&#8217;t bad, and that in the future people from both sides can avoid taking things so low.  Neither side deserves it.</p>
<p>I hope you meet some of you at Blogher!</p>
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		<title>By: Her Bad Mother</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2008/07/community-is-hard-deal-with-it/comment-page-3/#comment-19424</link>
		<dc:creator>Her Bad Mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nomotherearth - yeah, I was drunk when I wrote that ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nomotherearth &#8211; yeah, I was drunk when I wrote that <img src='http://herbadmother.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: nomotherearth</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2008/07/community-is-hard-deal-with-it/comment-page-3/#comment-19422</link>
		<dc:creator>nomotherearth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing to say that hasn&#039;t already been said in your post or the above comments.  Can I just say, though, that OMG you have a cohesive thought process for a mother of a newborn!  I can barely remember everyday words, and my kid is 8 months. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In awe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing to say that hasn&#8217;t already been said in your post or the above comments.  Can I just say, though, that OMG you have a cohesive thought process for a mother of a newborn!  I can barely remember everyday words, and my kid is 8 months. </p>
<p>In awe.</p>
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