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		<title>By: Vicent</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2009/02/other-side-of-anger/comment-page-3/#comment-26781</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, a very sad post for me. Thank you for remembering that marrying is a losing proposition for men.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In my experience, it&#039;s the woman in the relationship who wants the baby and then pressures the man to have him. And then, she feels rage at him, even if he is working to pay a stay-at-home mother, so there is a division of labor. Isn´t this insane?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What about thinking that a baby is a MAJOR job instead of dreaming of a fairy tale? What about not having a kid if you don&#039;t want to make a huge sacrifice?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What about the man being angry at the woman to pressure him to be parent and to make him work more to allow her to take care of the baby? Wait, no, I forgot that men are adults and rational creatures. I forgot that they understand that life is hard and don&#039;t blame others on the consequences of their own decisions. Too much to ask for women who feel entitled to be angry without rational reason.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s better not to get married and not to have kids. With the divorce rate in 50% (70% of divorces initiated by the women) and men losing their assets and their children in family court even so. I knew that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But makes me sad that women are never satisfied, even with a loving husband, even with a man who has given up all his bachelor life to be with her, who works to support a mother to take care of his child, who want to his child to be cared for by his mother. There are good men out there but less and less because they are awakening to the fact that no matter they do, it will never be enough.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For women it&#039;s never enough. There is always a reason to complain and to feel like a victim. To be angry. Men get married to have love and peace and what they get: a woman who is angry at them without reason.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Single moms do not have anyone to be angry at. So they can be free of these bastards called husbands. Please be a single mom and you will not have anything to complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a very sad post for me. Thank you for remembering that marrying is a losing proposition for men.</p>
<p>In my experience, it&#8217;s the woman in the relationship who wants the baby and then pressures the man to have him. And then, she feels rage at him, even if he is working to pay a stay-at-home mother, so there is a division of labor. Isn´t this insane?</p>
<p>What about thinking that a baby is a MAJOR job instead of dreaming of a fairy tale? What about not having a kid if you don&#8217;t want to make a huge sacrifice?</p>
<p>What about the man being angry at the woman to pressure him to be parent and to make him work more to allow her to take care of the baby? Wait, no, I forgot that men are adults and rational creatures. I forgot that they understand that life is hard and don&#8217;t blame others on the consequences of their own decisions. Too much to ask for women who feel entitled to be angry without rational reason.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s better not to get married and not to have kids. With the divorce rate in 50% (70% of divorces initiated by the women) and men losing their assets and their children in family court even so. I knew that.</p>
<p>But makes me sad that women are never satisfied, even with a loving husband, even with a man who has given up all his bachelor life to be with her, who works to support a mother to take care of his child, who want to his child to be cared for by his mother. There are good men out there but less and less because they are awakening to the fact that no matter they do, it will never be enough.</p>
<p>For women it&#8217;s never enough. There is always a reason to complain and to feel like a victim. To be angry. Men get married to have love and peace and what they get: a woman who is angry at them without reason.</p>
<p>Single moms do not have anyone to be angry at. So they can be free of these bastards called husbands. Please be a single mom and you will not have anything to complain.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2009/02/other-side-of-anger/comment-page-3/#comment-26159</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzanne Sommers was on Oprah talking about pre-menopausal women and how they walk around seething all the time. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; I thought, &quot;I seethe.  I seethe a lot.  Seems like 30 is early for menopause, but, what the f, there has to be some reason I am grinding my teeth all the time.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I want to stay home with the babe, so I&#039;ll pull the &quot;I work full time AND...&quot; fill in all the shoe size, bill pay, dog groomer tasks as well.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Poor him.  You are so right.  Not his fault though I don&#039;t think it would kill a brother to remove 1 rotten thing from the fridge during 1 of the 27 times he opens it during the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne Sommers was on Oprah talking about pre-menopausal women and how they walk around seething all the time. </p>
<p> I thought, &#8220;I seethe.  I seethe a lot.  Seems like 30 is early for menopause, but, what the f, there has to be some reason I am grinding my teeth all the time.&#8221;</p>
<p>I want to stay home with the babe, so I&#8217;ll pull the &#8220;I work full time AND&#8230;&#8221; fill in all the shoe size, bill pay, dog groomer tasks as well.  </p>
<p>Poor him.  You are so right.  Not his fault though I don&#8217;t think it would kill a brother to remove 1 rotten thing from the fridge during 1 of the 27 times he opens it during the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Mommy boog</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2009/02/other-side-of-anger/comment-page-3/#comment-26156</link>
		<dc:creator>Mommy boog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG...you do not realize how on point this is in my life right now. I feel very angry with the hub most of the time, and blown that he does not have the same mental log I do of all the stuff that needs to be done. This was so validating that its not just me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG&#8230;you do not realize how on point this is in my life right now. I feel very angry with the hub most of the time, and blown that he does not have the same mental log I do of all the stuff that needs to be done. This was so validating that its not just me!</p>
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		<title>By: Rita Arens</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2009/02/other-side-of-anger/comment-page-3/#comment-26095</link>
		<dc:creator>Rita Arens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not mad. Anymore. My husband and I instituted a &quot;no drudgery&quot; rule. We don&#039;t keep track. He bought Valentines this year. I stopped griping about cleaning the house. He started cooking healthy food. He knows her feet are size 10 1/2.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not sure how it happened, except to say we almost split up last year, and maybe the alternative looked a lot worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not mad. Anymore. My husband and I instituted a &#8220;no drudgery&#8221; rule. We don&#8217;t keep track. He bought Valentines this year. I stopped griping about cleaning the house. He started cooking healthy food. He knows her feet are size 10 1/2.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how it happened, except to say we almost split up last year, and maybe the alternative looked a lot worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Abby</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2009/02/other-side-of-anger/comment-page-3/#comment-26082</link>
		<dc:creator>Abby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad I&#039;m not the only one who&#039;s eternally pissed all the time.  It&#039;s so comforting to see it&#039;s 50% normal.  Sort of.  I feel absolute rage at the husband.  And mostly it&#039;s because he thinks I&#039;m on vacation every day because I get to stay home all day.  &quot;Get to&quot; being the magic words there.  He complains about being beat after four days of work so he NEEDS that three-day weekend all to himself to catch up and rejuvinate.  Excuse me?  I don&#039;t get evenings off, or weekends, or holidays, or sick days, or any other kinda damn day off.  EVER.  I empathize with the lady who said she has to beg her husband just to watch the kids for one lousy hour a week so she can go to a class.  Same thing here, except I actually have to give a good enough reason--good enough to counter his whining--so I can actually go.  Mind you, this is after he&#039;s said a billion times that if I need a break from the kids, why, just ask!  I&#039;ll be there for you, honey!  But when it actually comes to the asking, he rolls his eyes and sighs like I&#039;m asking him to donate a kidney.  Be a damn man for crap&#039;s sake.  I love you, but you&#039;re pissing me off with these melodramatic acts you&#039;re putting on just to get out of watching your own damn children for more than the five minutes you see them in the morning before you saunter off to work.  At a job, mind you, that I used to do myself and I KNOW it&#039;s not half as hard as what I do now.  And yet he acts as if he&#039;s the one who has it the hardest in this family and why can&#039;t I just give him a break?  I&#039;ll tell you why I can&#039;t just give you a break; you helped make &#039;em, you can help take care of them.  No more excuses, I&#039;ve had it with them.  No, I don&#039;t feel bad for being pissed at him.  Because he doesn&#039;t do the best he can.  He makes promises and breaks them when push comes to shove.  Screw that.  I&#039;m justifiably mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad I&#8217;m not the only one who&#8217;s eternally pissed all the time.  It&#8217;s so comforting to see it&#8217;s 50% normal.  Sort of.  I feel absolute rage at the husband.  And mostly it&#8217;s because he thinks I&#8217;m on vacation every day because I get to stay home all day.  &#8220;Get to&#8221; being the magic words there.  He complains about being beat after four days of work so he NEEDS that three-day weekend all to himself to catch up and rejuvinate.  Excuse me?  I don&#8217;t get evenings off, or weekends, or holidays, or sick days, or any other kinda damn day off.  EVER.  I empathize with the lady who said she has to beg her husband just to watch the kids for one lousy hour a week so she can go to a class.  Same thing here, except I actually have to give a good enough reason&#8211;good enough to counter his whining&#8211;so I can actually go.  Mind you, this is after he&#8217;s said a billion times that if I need a break from the kids, why, just ask!  I&#8217;ll be there for you, honey!  But when it actually comes to the asking, he rolls his eyes and sighs like I&#8217;m asking him to donate a kidney.  Be a damn man for crap&#8217;s sake.  I love you, but you&#8217;re pissing me off with these melodramatic acts you&#8217;re putting on just to get out of watching your own damn children for more than the five minutes you see them in the morning before you saunter off to work.  At a job, mind you, that I used to do myself and I KNOW it&#8217;s not half as hard as what I do now.  And yet he acts as if he&#8217;s the one who has it the hardest in this family and why can&#8217;t I just give him a break?  I&#8217;ll tell you why I can&#8217;t just give you a break; you helped make &#8216;em, you can help take care of them.  No more excuses, I&#8217;ve had it with them.  No, I don&#8217;t feel bad for being pissed at him.  Because he doesn&#8217;t do the best he can.  He makes promises and breaks them when push comes to shove.  Screw that.  I&#8217;m justifiably mad.</p>
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		<title>By: Expat Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Expat Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, I`m angry. I have a 3 year old, a nearly 2 year old and work full time from home. I HATE that my husband goes out to get milk and doesn`t come back for three or four hours, because he doesn`t have to. I hate that he gets to go AWAY to work while I have to parent and work at the same time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That being said, my husband lets me take naps and he does clean the house. But sometimes, I just want to get out without children and he freaks at the idea of looking after them both! To which I say, &quot;HA! Try working AND looking after them!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I`m angry. I have a 3 year old, a nearly 2 year old and work full time from home. I HATE that my husband goes out to get milk and doesn`t come back for three or four hours, because he doesn`t have to. I hate that he gets to go AWAY to work while I have to parent and work at the same time.</p>
<p>That being said, my husband lets me take naps and he does clean the house. But sometimes, I just want to get out without children and he freaks at the idea of looking after them both! To which I say, &#8220;HA! Try working AND looking after them!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ChefSara</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2009/02/other-side-of-anger/comment-page-3/#comment-25933</link>
		<dc:creator>ChefSara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the poster who said she feels jealousy more than anger.  My husband is fabulous.  He realizes that what I do as a SAHM is hard work (perhaps because as a grad student, he works from home sometimes and sees how much I do).  Every night, he says &quot;Thank you Baby&quot; when I serve dinner, and takes care of the baby when he gets home.  He stays with the baby once a week while I take the dog to agility, no questions asked.  And he tells me on a regular basis what a great mom I am.  So how can I be angry at him?  But I am jealous...that he regularly sleeps til 8:30 or 9, while the baby is up at 7:30 every day; that he didn&#039;t have to get up for the middle of the night feedings, since i was breast feeding; that he can leave the house without wondering if he remembered the diaper bag, extra burp cloth, etc.  But I *chose* to be a SAHM mom, and as hard as it is, I wouldn&#039;t change it for anything.  And I could not ask for a better husband or father.  So, even though I am jealous, I&#039;m not mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the poster who said she feels jealousy more than anger.  My husband is fabulous.  He realizes that what I do as a SAHM is hard work (perhaps because as a grad student, he works from home sometimes and sees how much I do).  Every night, he says &#8220;Thank you Baby&#8221; when I serve dinner, and takes care of the baby when he gets home.  He stays with the baby once a week while I take the dog to agility, no questions asked.  And he tells me on a regular basis what a great mom I am.  So how can I be angry at him?  But I am jealous&#8230;that he regularly sleeps til 8:30 or 9, while the baby is up at 7:30 every day; that he didn&#8217;t have to get up for the middle of the night feedings, since i was breast feeding; that he can leave the house without wondering if he remembered the diaper bag, extra burp cloth, etc.  But I *chose* to be a SAHM mom, and as hard as it is, I wouldn&#8217;t change it for anything.  And I could not ask for a better husband or father.  So, even though I am jealous, I&#8217;m not mad.</p>
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		<title>By: Bianka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hubby is a stay at home dad. He definitely picks up his share of parenting responsibilities, but what I get mad at him about is &#039;chores&#039;. His idea and my idea of what needs to be done vary greatly. I believe that sweeping up Cheerios, throwing away cheese wrappers, placing cups in the sink, etc. etc. etc. should be done as you walk by them or as they are used. HE on the other hand believes that it should all be left alone until the end of the day and done all at once. THIS DRIVES ME ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hubby is a stay at home dad. He definitely picks up his share of parenting responsibilities, but what I get mad at him about is &#8216;chores&#8217;. His idea and my idea of what needs to be done vary greatly. I believe that sweeping up Cheerios, throwing away cheese wrappers, placing cups in the sink, etc. etc. etc. should be done as you walk by them or as they are used. HE on the other hand believes that it should all be left alone until the end of the day and done all at once. THIS DRIVES ME ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.</p>
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		<title>By: Avonlea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avonlea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that several issues can contribute to the anger. For situations where the mom stays at home, there is the anger about him walking out the door after a shower and getting to pee by himself and eat lunch with adults or alone, while she can&#039;t. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then, in general, for WOHMs or WAHMs, there is the whole self-imposed vision of what a &#039;mom&#039; does or should do - self-sacrifce and home-cooked meals and clean houses and running the household. Things based on what society has told us we should do.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For me, I think I have enough selfishness (or self-preservation) to know that I *need* to have alone time and down time. No, I don&#039;t cook every night. There may be piles of mail on my kitchen table and dustbunnies under the couch, but without my downtime or without enough sleep, I get angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that several issues can contribute to the anger. For situations where the mom stays at home, there is the anger about him walking out the door after a shower and getting to pee by himself and eat lunch with adults or alone, while she can&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Then, in general, for WOHMs or WAHMs, there is the whole self-imposed vision of what a &#8216;mom&#8217; does or should do &#8211; self-sacrifce and home-cooked meals and clean houses and running the household. Things based on what society has told us we should do.</p>
<p>For me, I think I have enough selfishness (or self-preservation) to know that I *need* to have alone time and down time. No, I don&#8217;t cook every night. There may be piles of mail on my kitchen table and dustbunnies under the couch, but without my downtime or without enough sleep, I get angry.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne-girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne-girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a woman, a new mother, and am angry at times at my husband.  And yet, what really got me was SUEB0B&#039;s comment.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;YES!!!  Why do we complicate everything?  We are living in an age of hyperparenting, cluttering our lives up with too much stuff, too many obligations, going here, there everywhere and not taking enough time to just be.  My son is teaching me how to just be.  And not to care about matching napkins and tablecloths, or the dust bunnies under the beds.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I used to criticize my husband when he folded the cloth diapers wrong, or filled the bath with 1/2 cm too much water.  This really put a strain on our relationship.  I had to give up control, and god damn it--lower my standards.  Things don&#039;t always have to be perfect.  Once we stop being so hard on ourselves I think we&#039;ll lose a lot of that anger...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a woman, a new mother, and am angry at times at my husband.  And yet, what really got me was SUEB0B&#8217;s comment.  </p>
<p>YES!!!  Why do we complicate everything?  We are living in an age of hyperparenting, cluttering our lives up with too much stuff, too many obligations, going here, there everywhere and not taking enough time to just be.  My son is teaching me how to just be.  And not to care about matching napkins and tablecloths, or the dust bunnies under the beds.</p>
<p>I used to criticize my husband when he folded the cloth diapers wrong, or filled the bath with 1/2 cm too much water.  This really put a strain on our relationship.  I had to give up control, and god damn it&#8211;lower my standards.  Things don&#8217;t always have to be perfect.  Once we stop being so hard on ourselves I think we&#8217;ll lose a lot of that anger&#8230;</p>
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