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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for so eloquently voicing your critique. I could not agree more. I have just read the article today, as it was only published in Australia last Sunday. Its copy was provided by one of our single and childless co-workers to another like minded colleague that obviously felt supported by it and compelled to share it with others. I just happened to read it, as my Sunday Age magazine still rests at home unopened - the full time working, pregnant dummy mummy did not have a time to read her weekend paper yet! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I feel very strongly that in childless circles the topics of motherhood and parenting are often discriminated against. I too don’t agree with a notion that other topics should rank higher on the ‘acceptable conversation topics’ list.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, I happen to work with educated, childless, some single, sexually frustrated, sadly self centred and sour  women, who are very happy to converse for hours about house decorating, buying clothes, perfumes, romantic adventures, husbands’/partners’ eating and snoring habits, but strangely get annoyed when I comment about my current pregnancy, and parenting issues with my 5 year old! Somehow their brain totally excludes that particular area of reality. Wake up people: after all procreation, child bearing and upbringing are part of our human existence, whether you want it or not. You may choose to deny it, but the odds are that majority of people around you either have already or will have a family. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, what happened to the concept of freedom of speech and tolerance? Should not it work both ways? If I can listen to pointless dribbles about curtains matching cabinet handles, why can’t my co-workers at least accept I’m pregnant and allow me to touch on the subject from time to time? After all having a human being grow inside of your body is not exactly a walk in the park. Or is it that talking about it is painful because it reminds people about one more area of their lives they feel consciously or subconsciously unfulfilled about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for so eloquently voicing your critique. I could not agree more. I have just read the article today, as it was only published in Australia last Sunday. Its copy was provided by one of our single and childless co-workers to another like minded colleague that obviously felt supported by it and compelled to share it with others. I just happened to read it, as my Sunday Age magazine still rests at home unopened &#8211; the full time working, pregnant dummy mummy did not have a time to read her weekend paper yet! </p>
<p>I feel very strongly that in childless circles the topics of motherhood and parenting are often discriminated against. I too don’t agree with a notion that other topics should rank higher on the ‘acceptable conversation topics’ list.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I happen to work with educated, childless, some single, sexually frustrated, sadly self centred and sour  women, who are very happy to converse for hours about house decorating, buying clothes, perfumes, romantic adventures, husbands’/partners’ eating and snoring habits, but strangely get annoyed when I comment about my current pregnancy, and parenting issues with my 5 year old! Somehow their brain totally excludes that particular area of reality. Wake up people: after all procreation, child bearing and upbringing are part of our human existence, whether you want it or not. You may choose to deny it, but the odds are that majority of people around you either have already or will have a family. </p>
<p>Also, what happened to the concept of freedom of speech and tolerance? Should not it work both ways? If I can listen to pointless dribbles about curtains matching cabinet handles, why can’t my co-workers at least accept I’m pregnant and allow me to touch on the subject from time to time? After all having a human being grow inside of your body is not exactly a walk in the park. Or is it that talking about it is painful because it reminds people about one more area of their lives they feel consciously or subconsciously unfulfilled about?</p>
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		<title>By: MrsEmbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrsEmbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing post- well thought-out, meaningful, and far more eloquent than the &quot;Rachel Cooke: Kiss My Dimpled Ass&quot; that I would&#039;ve posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing post- well thought-out, meaningful, and far more eloquent than the &#8220;Rachel Cooke: Kiss My Dimpled Ass&#8221; that I would&#8217;ve posted.</p>
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		<title>By: supermommyof3</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2009/02/whos-dummy-mummy/comment-page-4/#comment-26087</link>
		<dc:creator>supermommyof3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my gosh, I am soooo over the whole &quot;Mommy Wars&quot; crap, and it&#039;s just as bad to have &quot;Women Wars&quot;.  Our mothers, grandmothers, great-grandmothers and beyond suffered through too many years of not having any choices, and then fighting to GET those choices for themselves and us for our generation to turn it around and try to limit each others choices.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Pathetic.  Can&#039;t we all just agree that every woman is lucky enough to have the choice to have children or not, be a working mom or a stay at home mom, and frankly - to listen or care about what each other says.  If you don&#039;t like the mom-talk, you can very simply not listen.  Just like I can blow right past the conversations, blogs, TV and radio programs or other forms of media that I don&#039;t care to hear.  Easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh, I am soooo over the whole &#8220;Mommy Wars&#8221; crap, and it&#8217;s just as bad to have &#8220;Women Wars&#8221;.  Our mothers, grandmothers, great-grandmothers and beyond suffered through too many years of not having any choices, and then fighting to GET those choices for themselves and us for our generation to turn it around and try to limit each others choices.</p>
<p>Pathetic.  Can&#8217;t we all just agree that every woman is lucky enough to have the choice to have children or not, be a working mom or a stay at home mom, and frankly &#8211; to listen or care about what each other says.  If you don&#8217;t like the mom-talk, you can very simply not listen.  Just like I can blow right past the conversations, blogs, TV and radio programs or other forms of media that I don&#8217;t care to hear.  Easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than motherhood/ non-motherhood, isn&#039;t enjoying what you do important? Even though I&#039;m not one, I would rather listen to a mom tell stories about a child she is interested in and enjoys, than listen to some moms go on endlessly about how having children has just ENDED their lives, and they have no time for anything &#039;productive&#039; anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than motherhood/ non-motherhood, isn&#8217;t enjoying what you do important? Even though I&#8217;m not one, I would rather listen to a mom tell stories about a child she is interested in and enjoys, than listen to some moms go on endlessly about how having children has just ENDED their lives, and they have no time for anything &#8216;productive&#8217; anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Expat Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Expat Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just too funny! There are people who would think that her going on about traveling to foreign lands and how fulfilled she is in her job is boring and smug. Bottom line, everyone has different interests. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mothers are obviously going to be interested in their children (if not, heaven help us!) and I can only assume she hasn`t made proper use of the internet if she doesn`t realize that there are groups for every imaginable interest . . . including motherhood!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, this whole &quot;feminism equals being manly&quot; thing is just dumb. We`re the only gender that can have babies . . . why not celebrate that? Geez.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, and if she comes by here to read comments, PLEASE don`t click on my link . . . it goes to my personal blog where I *gasp* talk about my kids (as well as living in a foreign country, freelance writing and cooking).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just too funny! There are people who would think that her going on about traveling to foreign lands and how fulfilled she is in her job is boring and smug. Bottom line, everyone has different interests. </p>
<p>Mothers are obviously going to be interested in their children (if not, heaven help us!) and I can only assume she hasn`t made proper use of the internet if she doesn`t realize that there are groups for every imaginable interest . . . including motherhood!</p>
<p>Also, this whole &#8220;feminism equals being manly&#8221; thing is just dumb. We`re the only gender that can have babies . . . why not celebrate that? Geez.</p>
<p>Oh, and if she comes by here to read comments, PLEASE don`t click on my link . . . it goes to my personal blog where I *gasp* talk about my kids (as well as living in a foreign country, freelance writing and cooking).</p>
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		<title>By: Adelas</title>
		<link>http://herbadmother.com/2009/02/whos-dummy-mummy/comment-page-4/#comment-25967</link>
		<dc:creator>Adelas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the whole point of feminism was to be able to choose what the heck you want to do with your life, be it working in a factory, breaking the glass ceiling, becoming liberated sexually... OR being a teacher, a secretary, a mother. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;More on that &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://daily-della.blogspot.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; because I apparently can&#039;t just post a response, I have to write an entire POST in response. :P &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rachel Cooke shockingly said in her post: &lt;i&gt;Once upon a time, educated women fought to separate their identities from the ideal of mother, knowing that until the two came to be seen as wholly distinct they would never be taken seriously; and, in any case, who wants to be defined by only one aspect of their life?&lt;/i&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Say what? You&#039;re saying, as an educated woman, I should be defined as solely that? You&#039;re saying that I cannot be taken seriously if I also consider myself a mother, even if my body has physically gone through the process of becoming a parent? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But wait!.... who wants to be defined by only one aspect of their life?!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also irritating, Rachel went to a site that was ABOUT babies, and then complained that they were encouraging to share anecdotes about their babies. WTH?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally, her statement that &lt;i&gt;For men, it just confirms what many of them secretly think, which is that women, bottom line, are only really interested in one thing, and that is making babies, and why should they be promoted or taken seriously or paid well?&lt;/i&gt; ... if Rachel is capable of telling the difference between so-called Dummy Mummies and mothers-she-doesn&#039;t-disdain, is she precluding men from the capability of telling the difference between child-obsessed Dummy Mummies and sneering, intolerant feminists who are in no uncertain terms NOT interested in making babies?  So now she is both intolerant AND misanthropic?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally... I ask you... is feminism about being as close to the standard &quot;manly&quot; ideal as possible, or about being free to define womanly in whatever way you want to define it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the whole point of feminism was to be able to choose what the heck you want to do with your life, be it working in a factory, breaking the glass ceiling, becoming liberated sexually&#8230; OR being a teacher, a secretary, a mother. </p>
<p>More on that <a HREF="http://daily-della.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">here</a> because I apparently can&#8217;t just post a response, I have to write an entire POST in response. <img src='http://herbadmother.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Rachel Cooke shockingly said in her post: <i>Once upon a time, educated women fought to separate their identities from the ideal of mother, knowing that until the two came to be seen as wholly distinct they would never be taken seriously; and, in any case, who wants to be defined by only one aspect of their life?</i> </p>
<p>Say what? You&#8217;re saying, as an educated woman, I should be defined as solely that? You&#8217;re saying that I cannot be taken seriously if I also consider myself a mother, even if my body has physically gone through the process of becoming a parent? </p>
<p>But wait!&#8230;. who wants to be defined by only one aspect of their life?!</p>
<p>Also irritating, Rachel went to a site that was ABOUT babies, and then complained that they were encouraging to share anecdotes about their babies. WTH?</p>
<p>Finally, her statement that <i>For men, it just confirms what many of them secretly think, which is that women, bottom line, are only really interested in one thing, and that is making babies, and why should they be promoted or taken seriously or paid well?</i> &#8230; if Rachel is capable of telling the difference between so-called Dummy Mummies and mothers-she-doesn&#8217;t-disdain, is she precluding men from the capability of telling the difference between child-obsessed Dummy Mummies and sneering, intolerant feminists who are in no uncertain terms NOT interested in making babies?  So now she is both intolerant AND misanthropic?</p>
<p>Finally&#8230; I ask you&#8230; is feminism about being as close to the standard &#8220;manly&#8221; ideal as possible, or about being free to define womanly in whatever way you want to define it?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this.  Polly Vernon&#039;s article on the same day was even worse...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this.  Polly Vernon&#8217;s article on the same day was even worse&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point that she&#039;s taken her displeasure with a certain type of behavior she encounters and made it sound like it&#039;s an epidemic worthy of knocking a whole community - a community vulnerable and undervalued - is a valid one. It&#039;s not like she&#039;s slamming rock stars for their indulgent life style. She&#039;s slamming mothers for caring too much and sharing too much. The bigotry comment was dead on. &quot;I don&#039;t care what you do in your own home, but don&#039;t talk about it or shove that &quot;lifestyle&quot; in my face.&quot;  Be a mom if you want, but don&#039;t flaunt it, don&#039;t be proud, don&#039;t be loud. Um, okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point that she&#8217;s taken her displeasure with a certain type of behavior she encounters and made it sound like it&#8217;s an epidemic worthy of knocking a whole community &#8211; a community vulnerable and undervalued &#8211; is a valid one. It&#8217;s not like she&#8217;s slamming rock stars for their indulgent life style. She&#8217;s slamming mothers for caring too much and sharing too much. The bigotry comment was dead on. &#8220;I don&#8217;t care what you do in your own home, but don&#8217;t talk about it or shove that &#8220;lifestyle&#8221; in my face.&#8221;  Be a mom if you want, but don&#8217;t flaunt it, don&#8217;t be proud, don&#8217;t be loud. Um, okay.</p>
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		<title>By: cakeburnette</title>
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		<dc:creator>cakeburnette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn woman--YOU ROCK!  As an educated, SAHM (for the most part; I do have a part-time job in my kid&#039;s school) I applaud what you wrote.  It was eloquent AND right on the money.  Thank you for being the voice of women who CHOSE motherhood as a career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn woman&#8211;YOU ROCK!  As an educated, SAHM (for the most part; I do have a part-time job in my kid&#8217;s school) I applaud what you wrote.  It was eloquent AND right on the money.  Thank you for being the voice of women who CHOSE motherhood as a career.</p>
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		<title>By: Lydia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my question to these kinds of articles is-- how does there continue to BE a society if there are no mothers to continue making people?&lt;br/&gt;Denying the role of motherhood/parenthood is equal to denying the humaness (is that a word) of experience. We aren&#039;t robots who ceate more of ourselves in a factory, nor is this &quot;Brave New World&quot; where we are grown in jars.&lt;br/&gt;To be human means we emerged from our mothers and that experience is worthy of praise, discussion, whatever.&lt;br/&gt;And you&#039;re right--don&#039;t like it? Don&#039;t listen. But DON&#039;T deny it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my question to these kinds of articles is&#8211; how does there continue to BE a society if there are no mothers to continue making people?<br />Denying the role of motherhood/parenthood is equal to denying the humaness (is that a word) of experience. We aren&#8217;t robots who ceate more of ourselves in a factory, nor is this &#8220;Brave New World&#8221; where we are grown in jars.<br />To be human means we emerged from our mothers and that experience is worthy of praise, discussion, whatever.<br />And you&#8217;re right&#8211;don&#8217;t like it? Don&#8217;t listen. But DON&#8217;T deny it.</p>
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