Dear God

April 7, 2010

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When I was twelve years old, I was confirmed in the Catholic faith. The priest who  administered the rite of confirmation was a man that I – in the manner of all judgmental twelve year olds who recoil at elders who seem weird and smell bad – did not like, although I did not, at the time, dislike him quite so much as I did the nun who led the weekly catechism classes for young members of the Church. Sister Anne was elderly, and terrifying; she wore her black habit like a suit of armor and carried with her a old wooden ruler, the kind with blade-like metal embedded along the outer edge, and she would menace us with it, sometimes cracking it down upon the side of a desk when some unfortunate child failed to list the Seven Sacraments on command. Sister Anne, my classmates and I decided, was not on the Right Side Of God.

Nobody that frightening could be good, we told each other as we congregated outside during a class break. God wouldn’t stand for it. “She’ll be punished some day,” someone said. “She’ll go to hell.” That thought was somewhat reassuring.

One of the boys disagreed. “God doesn’t seem to care all that much if the priests are scary, so why not the sisters? And the sisters don’t even do anything, not like the priests. He lets them” – he practically spat the word – “be the bosses of the church.” A few of the other boys nodded, and there was much shuffling of feet. Somebody murmured something about creepy being worse than mean, and a couple of the boys moved away from the group. “God doesn’t really care about what those guys do. He just cares that we know the sacraments,” he added. “It sucks.” I had no idea what he was talking about, but I knew that I really didn’t like the way church felt at this parish – a parish that my family had only recently joined, after relocating – at this parish, with this priest and this nun and these scared children, and it seemed to me that if anyone was to blame, it was probably God, who was in charge of the whole business, as I understood it.

(To the little, pitiful God I make my prayer,
The God with the long grey beard
And flowing robe fastened with a hempen girdle
Who sits nodding and muttering on the all-too-big throne
of Heaven.)

Years later, my mother asked me, in a telephone conversation, if I remembered Immaculate Conception, the church where I’d been confirmed, and the priest who’d administered those rites. “I remember the sister who taught my catechism more than him,” I said. “She was evil.”

“Well, not as evil as him, apparently. He’s been accused of abusing some of the boys. You know”  – her voice dropped to a whisper – “sexually.”

And I thought: well. That explains a lot.

I was in my early twenties by then, and it had been a couple of years since I’d been to Mass. Religion was the opiate of the masses, Marx had taught me, and my mother had gone ahead and confirmed what he and Machiavelli and Nietzsche and the kids in the parish of Immaculate Conception – and, we would someday learn, parishes everywhere – already knew: that religion sometimes gives very bad people an opportunity to very bad things, and to get away with it. So I abandoned religion, mostly entirely.

By my early thirties, I was trying to get it back. Or, rather, I was trying to figure out whether I should get it back. I had loved God, and the Catholic Church, for a long time, before the unpleasantness of Immaculate Conception, and, later, my parents’ separation and divorce and mutual crisis of faith (another story entirely, although not one, perhaps, that is mine to tell). I missed them, sometimes. And I worried, sometimes, about how I would navigate the waters of faith once I had my own children; how I would raise them to have faith, if I wasn’t – if we weren’t – at home in the Church. Because I knew that I wanted them to have faith. I just wasn’t sure how, and on what terms. I struggled to figure out how to renegotiate my relationship to God and to faith. And even though I told myself that I wanted to explore faith in all of its forms and consider all options, I have, deep down, always assumed that if I returned to church it would be to return to the Church, the Catholic Church.

I had sort of thought – this year after my father’s death, this year during which we need so much prayer for my nephew – that I might, this year, return for Easter. But then the Catholic Church went ahead and screwed it up and put me off religion, again.

(What a long, long time, dear God, since you set the
stars in their places,
Girded the earth with the sea, and invented the day and
night.
And longer the time since you looked through the blue
window of Heaven
To see your children at play in a garden…)

Allegations of abuse within the Church are not new, of course. But it’s not the allegations – the fact – that abuse occurred (horrifying as that is) that are destroying the remnants of my faith in the Church: it’s the Church’s refusal to take responsibility for it. It’s the Church’s refusal to admit that mistakes were made, that it failed to protect children. It’s the Church’s inability to be humble, to acknowledge that the failure to protect children was a human failure, one made within the Church, by the Church, and that it let God down. That it let us down – that it let the children down – is obvious. That it claims now to have God on its side, that it claims to be on the side of what is good and right, and that it insists that all those who express horror at what it allowed to happen are agents of persecution who are needling them – and by extension, God – with their evil accusations and petty gossip is a travesty of such magnitude that I have trouble, in some moments, even believing that it’s happening. It reads like the plot of a bad conspiracy-themed action novel, wherein robed men give booming speeches about Protecting God’s Church At All Costs while minor henchmen destroy documents and arrange for naysayers to be ‘disappeared.’  Somewhere, Dan Brown is taking notes, furiously.

This is all so appalling, so terrible, because the Church’s refusal to take responsibility for the horrors committed on its watch and its refusal to take responsibility for not addressing and eliminating those horrors when it could makes it seem as though, in the words of my young fellow catechumen, “God doesn’t really care about what those guys do.” When the Church insists that the reputation of the Church is more important than the well-being of innocents, when the Church puts the Church first and insists that this is what God wants it to do, God is on its side, if you criticize it you criticize God and also Jesus and all the saints and probably your grandmother, too, well, it sets itself up as the earthly representative of a God that no good person should want to follow. And in so doing, it destroys faith. Or, at least, it shakes it really violently.

(Now we are all stronger than you and wiser and more
arrogant,
In swift procession we pass you by.
“Who is that marionette nodding and muttering
On the all-too-big throne of Heaven?
Come down from your place, Grey Beard,
We have had enough of your play-acting!”)

The more reasonable explanation, of course (assuming, that is, that you believe in God), is that the Church is not representing God. Or that the men who are running the Church, and the men responsible for not purging the Church of the sickness within it, are neither representing God nor the Church as it was meant to be, whatever that ‘meant to be’ was supposed to be, or whatever. But for Catholics, no such distinction can be easily made. The men of the Church are the Church; the Pope is its head and the direct line to God. And so if we accept, as the Church claims, that God is on their side, then we are left, again, with the lament of my young peer, a young man, a child, who was almost certainly abused: “God doesn’t really care about what those guys do.”

I refuse to believe that. I believe, instead, that the Church has failed, or, rather, that those who defend the institution of the Church over and against its most vulnerable members have failed. I believe that this failure stands as evidence that this Church, which is to say these men, cannot speak for God. That no man – or woman – can speak for God. And that the only possible demonstration of faith in the face of everything that has happened is, I think, to turn away, to refuse to listen, to deny their authority to speak, to disavow belief in their claims about God, their God, and to believe in another God entirely. One that makes sense. One that does care about ‘what those guys do.’

Who or what that God is, I don’t know. And I don’t expect that that God can make any of this better, or make any of this make sense, or do anything to make the ugliness in the world – including the ugliness being propagated by the Church, who would deny the depth and breadth of that ugliness as it pertains to them – anything less than what it is. But I need to believe in a better God, and in a better kind of faith, whatever that means.

(It is centuries since I believed in you,
But today my need of you has come back.
I want no rose-coloured future,
No books of learning, no protestations and denials–
I am sick of this ugly scramble,
I am tired of being pulled about–
O God, I want to sit on your knees
On the all-too-big throne of Heaven,
And fall asleep with my hands tangled in your grey
beard.)*

*(To God The Father, by Katherine Mansfield)

Postscript: I mean no offense to Catholics who are comfortable remaining in the Church. I understand how it is possible to distinguish between the Church – which, as one commenter has noted, might better be identified with the people of Catholic faith, rather than with the Vatican or with the men who claim to speak for God – and its representatives in the Vatican and elsewhere. I’m struggling with that, because I know that the Church is full of good, good people. I just know that, so long as ‘the Church’ – which is to say, again, its representatives – disclaim the proven horrors as their responsibility, and disdain the seriousness of what happened, I cannot imagine supporting it/them in any way.


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    { 92 comments }

    Bon April 6, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    i love Katherine Mansfield.

    and i watch the Catholic Church squirm, big and willfully blind, fingers plugged in its ears, unable to own the reach of its institutional self-desecration, and wonder what Nuremburg trials it will take for the banality of this evil to be acknowledged and finally cleansed.

    i suspect God and the baby Jesus have been weeping over this one for years.
    .-= Bon´s last blog ..the long dark bedtime of the soul =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    And will continue to weep.

    Zoeyjane April 6, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Brava.
    .-= Zoeyjane´s last blog ..On this week in (my) history =-.

    Backpacking Dad April 6, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    There can be no evidence that the Church does not speak for God, or, at least, none that can sway the Church itself. It is not a democracy, pressured ideologically to policy changes by shifting demographics or public opinion or even atrocity. The infallibility of the Pope ex cathedra infects all memebers, like roots from a tree. It degrades over distance, but concentrates with nearness. It is only at extreme distances from the heart that pressure forces change. The Vatican does not bow.

    Luther had at least some things right.
    .-= Backpacking Dad´s last blog ..Quick Lesson in Nurture =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Indeed Luther did.

    As did Machiavelli, who pointed out that the Church’s inflexibility – its ability to assert its dominance v.v. truth and power was, he argued between the lines of the Prince and in the lines of the Discourses, what made it a great political institution. A principality in itself.

    Fran April 6, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    I’m an Episcopalian and I do so know what you mean. We’ve had our own brand of drama over the last few years. I’ve been reading the Bible and getting to know God directly. It’s refreshing and inspirational to have that relationship. I’m glad you’re seeking more.
    .-= Fran´s last blog ..Taking the High Road =-.

    accidentalcitygirl April 6, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    If it helps at all, I completely agree with you. There’s more I could say, but rather than get ranty, I’ll just say thanks for writing this.
    .-= accidentalcitygirl´s last blog ..Playing Tourist =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    You are more than welcome to get ranty here. FYI ;)

    Erin April 6, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    We didn’t attend church as a family when I was a child. My best friend was a devout baptist. She told me once I wasn’t a real Christian. Every church I went to with friends made me feel uncomfortable. I don’t need others to inflict guilt on me, I do it enough already.

    A couple years ago I went to a church with a friend of mine who had just gotten a job there as a children’s minister. We had 6 months previously lost our daughter. The first service they spoke about receiving bad news and questioning faith. He recounted the story of Jesus crying out on the cross “Father, why have you forsaken me?” He told us that we were supposed to question faith, not believe at times, that even Jesus did this. It was normal and healthy. I sobbed and sobbed in the third pew and little old ladies came and held me. I knew I had found my church.

    I believe that it is important to find the path that is right for you and your family. Try different places, find the right fit for what you believe in, even if you don’t think you know what that is. I would never have considered myself a religious person, and really still don’t, but to know that there is a community of faith that believes the same things I do, and will support me when I need them is a great comfort.
    .-= Erin´s last blog ..Joy =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    I would love to find that kind of church, that kind of community of faith. I look for it, always.

    Lisa April 8, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Have you tried Episcopals? I, too, grew up in the Roman Catholic church and left it, disillusioned.

    As an adult, I found I really felt at home with the Episcopals. It’s the faith and the rituals, but not the discipline. Yes, there has been “drama” as one person put it above, but at *some* people leaving the church because it’s doing the right thing by ending bigotry against gays in the priesthood. The Church is doing the right thing there, so I wouldn’t let the fact that some parishes are pulling away so they can keep on hating, be a stop to you.

    I wish for you a renewed faith, I really do. Mine gives me so much comfort and I hope for you to find your own path to it. My husband grew up, like you did. I felt he wasn’t really given a faith, but a list of rules, a doctrine, a history of the church.

    goofdad April 6, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    I have had a strong faith life for much of my adulthood. The Catholic Church finally chased us away several years back. As one who grew up Catholic, I totally feel your pain. This and the Boy Scout lawsuit in Portland, OR, have shaken me deeply, tearing away at the foundations of organizations I trusted for most of my life.

    The only suggestion I can make is to visit local churches and find a place that speaks to you … find a place and people you trust. For me, it was the local Episcopal Church, but everyone’s crisis is different.

    I am living proof that it IS possible to have faith in God without having faith in the Catholic Church.

    I wish you luck, and will continue to pray for you and yours (including Tanner).
    .-= goofdad´s last blog ..Topher turns 14! =-.

    Mary (BarnMaven) April 6, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    It was churches and people who initially ruined the concept of God for me, and it has taken me many years to learn to separate God from the people who claim to follow God.

    Everyone’s spiritual journey is different and unique. I wish you well on yours. :)
    .-= Mary (BarnMaven)´s last blog ..Cycle Up, Cycle Down =-.

    Jamie April 6, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-c-gordon/why-i-stay-catholic_b_526812.html

    This sums up how I feel pretty well. I’m horrified by this, just as I was horrified by the abuse the first time around in the early 2000s. I grew up in the church, I’ve gone to Catholic school for K-12 and I now attend a Jesuit law school.

    There are a LOT of things on which the Church and I do not see eye to eye: birth control, the role of women and gays in the church, etc. But this is the hardest thing for me. I think it’s this: the Church is the people and the disgusting actions of some old men, even if covered up and tacitly approved by the hierarchy, are NOT the Church. Those men are wrong and not representative of me or 99% of the people, and the people are the Church. That’s what I tell myself.

    red pen mama April 7, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Yeah, see, I could have just agreed with this person instead of struggling with my own reply. D’oh!
    .-= red pen mama´s last blog ..The Great Twitter Experiment of 2010 =-.

    Miss Britt April 7, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Thank you so much for sharing that link. Like you, it sums up my feelings perfectly.
    .-= Miss Britt´s last blog ..The Week Of Meh =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Yes, yes. I get that – the people of the Church are its heart.

    But: isn’t it at the core of Catholic doctrine that the structure of the hierarchy is important? When the Pope speaks ex cathedra, we are to believe that he is infallible, that he speaks for God? How do we square this with a more democratic understanding of the Church? How do we acknowledge the deep cracks in the mortar without admitting that the building might be unsound? And how do we remain Catholic if we admit that we can be just as faithful – perhaps more faithful – outside of that building?

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Or, I guess the more straightforward thing to ask is this: can you disagree with the Pope, view him as deeply fallible, and still be a good Catholic?

    Michelle April 8, 2010 at 7:44 am

    I would say yes.

    I attend a Baptist church, but consider myself more a Jesus-follower than of any denomination. I can and have worshipped in different churches without any problem. As long as the Gospel is preached and lived, with the knowledge that we are fallible and don’t have to be perfect, I can worship there.

    Jesus came so that we can know Him and have relationship with Him and with the Father *through* Jesus. He also said that the only way to the Father (God) was through Him. Relationship, not religion. The Jews already had religion with the Pharisees and other teachers.

    Hoping and praying that you find relationship with God.

    Linda April 6, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    I love my little brand of Protestantism. We never seem to get hit by any of the big scandals and walk along in our faith without alot of sentimentalism. Granted, that means that our ministers and religious leaders are not hugely responsible for our faith and our religious life. That can be trying if you’re going it for the first time.

    I went to a Catholic HS and what impressed me about Catholicism (while so many things didn’t) was the rituals. The friendliness of walking into the church and greeting God because you’re in His house. I think I could get totally wrapped up in the rituals and feel like the hand of God was rocking me gently. It’s too bad that the people in the church (and really the people of Christianity everywhere) take that pleasure of being loved away with their pettiness and hatred.

    Her Bad Mother April 6, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Someone wrote once that a big part of the power of the Catholic church was the stories and the rituals. A Latin Mass is a beautiful, beautiful thing; the stories of the saints are beautiful… there is much beauty and poetry in the church… but, yes, that beauty seems like so much smoke and mirrors when ugliness surfaces and can’t be swept away.

    Loralee April 7, 2010 at 1:37 am

    I’ve sung at many a Catholic Mass and you are right on the money, there…it is a beautiful service full of ritual I find appealing. I’ve ALWAYS wanted to light a freaking candle for someone.

    This was a fascinating, heart-felt post. I’m glad you wrote it, Catherine. xo
    .-= Loralee´s last blog ..Do you allow your children to believe in the Easter Bunny? =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    thank you, lady xoxo

    Sarah April 6, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    I really enjoyed this post. I have to say, I just don’t get religion at all. I have been reading lots of these blogs and articles and so many readers turn to their own “brand” of religion. Often I hear (or read) that “My God is like this,” or “I believe God is like this” and it’s caring, loving, kind, etc., often at odds with the Bible.

    To me, I just read that as you’re choosing to make up a God based on what would be nice for your life. How can you really believe that exists? I would like to believe I can eat as many cupcakes as I like and I won’t gain weight, but just because I want to believe it doesn’t mean it’s true, so how can I believe it?

    I’ve read a lot of books on religious discourse, and the only theories that make sense to me are the atheist ones.

    Her Bad Mother April 6, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    I don’t believe that one can just ‘make up’ whatever kind of God that one wants – I can imagine God to be a big, bearded, Santa of a man, sitting on a throne made of candy, but that doesn’t make it true. I can, however, choose to orient my beliefs to those things that make sense to me. A God who puts the reputation of the church before the lives of innocents doesn’t make sense in the context of Christianity (nor even, I would venture, the Old Testament). I’m not making up a fairy tale God; I’m considering the God that I was raised with, in the Catholic church, and deciding that THAT God doesn’t look anything like the God that the current Church is appealing to.

    DianaCLT April 6, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Beautifully written. I am Catholic. By choice, no less. My parents required I get my First Communion at 7 years old, but beyond that – it was my choice. At 21, I was Confirmed. HOWEVER – that does not mean I condone these travesties against children. These horrific acts done by people in power, and masked by people in power. It is so hard to remember that these acts are done by humans. God does not condone this. The majority of Catholics certainly don’t condone this. There are assholes everywhere, and unfortunately, they’re in churches, too.

    Yes. I am Catholic. But I consider myself a liberal Catholic (I don’t “belong” to one, but I’ve found that there are actually “Liberal Catholic” churches in some areas. :) ). I absolutely believe in equal rights; for homosexuals, for women, and certainly for children. We are ALL human. And it’s so important that we make sure the right humans are leading our children, and speaking to our masses. I discovered that the church where I am a parishioner was not doing an evening mass on Easter Sunday. So – I took the kids to a church a few miles further, where we used to go before we moved. Wow. What a difference! And I think we’ll be going there, from now on! I really liked this priest! He was certainly elderly; but he was warm. He was welcoming. He said something I appreciated: God does not condemn those who don’t believe in Him. Jesus died for ALL of us. Period. He said, straight out, that he doesn’t know how this all works. They’re God’s rules. I appreciate that he didn’t act like he knew all and was above everyone else. When I went up to take communion and my kids came with me, he sweetly bent down to shake my toddler’s hand, and share a few words with her. Not in a creepy way, but in a loving and gentle way. When Mass ended and we were leaving the church, he once again chatted with her a bit, as well as my son, in a friendly and NOT creepy manner (I was abused – NOT by anyone affiliated with any church, mind you…but it does give me a strong 6th sense for creepy pedophiles). I loved that this man was so very NOT judgmental and so very NOT “holier than thou,” like so many of these assholes are, that are caught up in this mess. There ARE still a few diamonds in the rough, Catherine. I’m not suggesting or encouraging you to stick with the church you grew up in, if you don’t feel comfortable there. I’m just reminding you that even though there are a LOT of asshole humans and Catholics, there are still a LOT of really good, loving, and well-meaning humans and Catholics out there, too. If you do go church-hunting, maybe include a few Catholic churches that you haven’t checked out in the past. They vary, greatly. :) <3

    Her Bad Mother April 6, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    The Catholic church that my family attended for most of my childhood – St. Patrick’s – was a warm and loving and liberal environment, complete with hippies playing folk guitar at Mass. It’s the Catholicism that I fell in love with as a child; it’s why the other church felt so wrong.

    I know that it can be different. I wish that I could find that difference again.

    Marthanow April 6, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    My kids have been brought up in the Anglican Church and I can honestly say it has been wonderful. The continued controversy surrounding the Catholic Church makes me very sad.
    I do not blame the church for the behavior of these individuals anymore than I would blame hockey for the behavior of a coach. I do however blame some parents for holding the clergy, or any adult in a position of authority over a child, in such high regard. When I was a child 40 years ago, it was considered unheard of, to question anything that a priest, nun, teacher or even a doctor or dentist said or did. Looking back, I see now that there were times when I had witnessed some of these people acting inappropriately. Of course I told no one. None of us did. Our parents would not have believed us anyway.
    As parents today, we need to teach our kids to be aware of inappropriate behavior and LISTEN to them when they tell us about it. NO MATTER WHO THE PERSON IS. These peodophiles must no longer be allowed to hide in our churches, schools and other places where there is easy access to children.

    EmilysHollow April 6, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Great post, really. I love your writing style. I’m not Catholic, but Main Stream Generic Christian, though, like you, I abandoned my faith a while ago, and am now wondering about searching for it. Different reasons, but similar feelings.

    This “scandal” is horrible. Abuse is horrible. Covering it up is horrible. Claiming to be infallible for doing so while clinging to your title and position of power….gah. Makes it so much worse.

    For what it’s worth, my God has very little to do with any of the religious instruction I’ve ever had.
    .-= EmilysHollow´s last blog ..Another List =-.

    Catch April 6, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    This post really hit home for me. I grew up in a strict Catholic Church and had similar feelings to you re: priests and nuns. Although I never experienced any sexual abuse (others did – I just wasn’t there), there was plenty of cruelty and pettiness, both to myself and others. And the leadership in the church has done NOTHING. It makes me so mad.

    Like you, I have found my whole attitude to religion has been coloured by these experiences. It must be the Easter season. I have a post scheduled in a few days along similar lines. Am also wanting God in my life, but definitely nothing to do with these cruel or moronic church types. Keep up the thoughtful dialogue. It helps.

    Catherine April 8, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    That the leadership has done nothing is really the crux of it for me. I can understand that human beings fail/sin/whatever (horrible as that is) – that others cover it up, allow it to continue… that is vile.
    .-= Catherine´s last blog ..Dear God =-.

    Fairly Odd Mother April 6, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    My split from organized religion began when a young girl who approached me on the beach told me her parents were going to hell b/c they didn’t “accept Jesus” the way she had. I thought that any God I was going to believe in wasn’t going to be such a judgmental jerk to people who lived a good life but didn’t follow a specific doctrine.

    Ever since then, I’ve been suspicious of men and women who say they “know God” and therefore get to tell everyone what to do. I back away slowly, eyes wide and not-blinking, from anyone who quotes scripture at me. And, any of those priests who abused boys, or covered up the abuse, they are certainly not men of God.
    .-= Fairly Odd Mother´s last blog ..The scream =-.

    Rita April 6, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Because I was raised Catholic, it makes me want to defend the religion when a non-Catholic makes comments about the faith, however even at 15 I didn’t find in the New Testament things I was being told by the church.

    The most significant was that I remember always feeling like I was going to go to hell because I couldn’t live that perfect life they kept telling me I HAD to live. For my 15th birthday I remember asking for (and still have) a King James version Bible.

    That being said, I do still love going to a mass in a magnificant church now and then. It will always feel like home, even though we found a wonderful inter-denominational Bible based church that we love.

    And last year in a visit to Rome, I learned the history of the Catholic Church and the Popes. It’s not exactly pretty.

    I understand why Catholics and non-Catholics have issues with the church. Some of those priests that were dearly loved where my mother grew up turned out to be the very perverts that inflicted this vile sin on the boys.

    But there are some churches that I believe do have it right.
    .-= Rita´s last blog ..Serious Monkey Business =-.

    Julie @ The Mom Slant April 6, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    I’ve written about this both on my site and at The Stir, expressing anger and dismay. But I’ve also felt very sad for those who feel betrayed by the church – and those who feel betrayed by God.
    .-= Julie @ The Mom Slant´s last blog ..If I could save pee in a bottle =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    this is my struggle – distinguishing between being feeling betrayed by leaders in the Church and being betrayed by God. I actually don’t think that God has anything to do with this (or, anything more than he does with, say, Haiti or Nigeria or environmental destruction). These are the sins of men. The question is, do they speak to corruption of men only, or to the corruption of religion?

    Kathleen April 6, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    I have trouble with so many evangelical religions because the people of those religions that I run across are inflexible and judgemental in the name of their God. Now, I too am having trouble with my own religion because the people who are both its public face and it supposedly infallible head are also erring in what I believe my God would want. Thank you for stating this so well.

    Cara April 6, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Yet one of the many reasons I leftbthe Catholic church for the Episcopal church (the whole they don’t think I’m not worthy to be a priest because I have a vagina is another). I have been a lot happier ever since. Good luck on your journey, and you might check out the books “those episkopols” and “the shack” ton help you along.

    Amy B @ A Chase After Wind April 6, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    I left the Roman Catholic Church at age 25 (4 years ago) for lots of reasons, but the main reason was that I no longer believed that the Pope has a special line to God. I changed my mind about that when I read and believed that “there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5) ONE mediator, and that mediator is NOT the Pope.

    Men and women can and will always get it wrong. My faith is in Jesus.

    I don’t share that to preach at you, but merely to share a snapshot of my own story as a token of appreciation for getting to share your story. You are one of my favorite voices. I’m praying for your journey.

    The Mayor April 6, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Here’s to you having and authentic relationship with God thanks to Jesus’ gift of salvation. A gift to give joy to you and your family.

    You’ve expressed yourself far more eloquently than I could. When I boil it all down, I simply am a woman with the simple faith of a child. I try not to confuse my faith in God with religion, denomination and fallen men who tend to screw it up.
    .-= The Mayor´s last blog ..Abercrombie Is A Bitch =-.

    Kay Kelly April 7, 2010 at 12:19 am

    You have just list most of the reasons
    I follow the teachings of Buddah.
    Outstanding post !

    Tom Degan April 7, 2010 at 8:09 am

    In my parish, St. John the Evangelist in Goshen, NY, the first major pedophile scandal materialized in the early nineties. The priest in question, “Father Ed” had been molesting boys in their early teens. To say that the parishioners were traumatized by this would be an understatement. They were devastated. Then something wondrous happened….

    Father Ed was eventually replaced by Father Trevor Nichols. Father Trevor had been an Anglican in merrie old England when he converted to Catholicism. On becoming a Catholic was transferred to Saint John’s – WITH HIS WIFE AND TWO DAUGHTERS! A married priest! WITH TWO KIDS!

    You want to hear the punch line? Our little parish did not implode. The sun did not fall from the sky. Huge cracks did not appear in the earth’s surface. In fact, it was nice having them. They were – and are to this day – deeply beloved by the people of St. John’s.

    Allowing priests to marry would transform the Catholic Church. Having a married priest and his lovely family in our midst certainly transformed the people of St. John’s.

    http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

    Tom Degan

    Marlo April 7, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Great post. We talked about the latest scandal in the news this past Easter Sunday on our talk radio show. As you said, it is the failure of the church to take responsibility. It is the Pope using language such as ‘petty gossip’ to describe the sex abuse allegations that has enrage so many.

    We took a lot of flack for talking about this story – especially on Easter Sunday – one caller called in during commercial break and screamed and swore at me for daring to cover it…more evidence of a problem…sacred cows.

    http://www.gregandmarloshow.com/enclosures/506_20100404.mp3

    nic @mybottlesup April 7, 2010 at 8:55 am

    wow catherine, i’m astounded. you have taken nearly everything i have been feeling in my gut for so long and shared it so eloquently, which (in my opinion) is a challenge to do, especially right now.

    being raised in a catholic home, attending catholic school until college, marrying a catholic in the catholic church, and baptizing our son in the catholic church, i think it’s safe to say that at this point in time, i (for lack of better terminology) have the checks in the boxes…

    but i don’t like it. i’m not satisfied with the path the catholic church is going down. i do not believe in it and it is disturbing to me on many levels and in a multitude of ways.

    my husband and i did not attend easter sunday mass for the first time this year. we discussed it and both of us are distraught to the point of distancing ourselves and giving some serious thought as to where to go from here with our spirituality. i said to my husband, as we were discussing whether or not to attend mass, that i would feel more like a fraud sitting in mass than i would not going.

    i don’t know where this scandal will go… what will come of it, if anything… but to me, this is yet another reason, amongst many that i have, that is keeping me from returning.

    great job with this post.
    .-= nic @mybottlesup´s last blog ..well this sucks =-.

    red pen mama April 7, 2010 at 9:07 am

    I am one of those Catholics that continues to stay in the church. I’m surprised that you only cite two articles, both of which claim the church has not apologized for the latest scandels.

    Here’s two in which officials do apologize: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/17/catholic.ireland.abuse/index.html?hpt=T2

    http://www.christianpost.com/article/20100321/pope-apologises-for-catholic-church-s-failure-over-child-abuse/index.html

    That aside, these scandals are not the basis of the Catholic faith. And as a human institution, the Catholic Church is going to get things wrong. I think what is lost is that God and Jesus are about love (and forgiveness). And LOTS of religious institutions get it wrong.

    I think your premise that the Catholic church claims God is on its side so anything it wants to do is okay is wrong, too. I have never heard or seen anything like that coming out of my Church.

    I haven’t read all the comments here, and I hesitate to do so. Mostly because I think people get my faith wrong. It’s easy to do. The Good News isn’t nearly as titilating as the scandal. If you think the church supports or condones this behavior, you’re wrong. You’re citing Gawker for goodness sakes! Not exactly a source of Catholic news. (And I type that with a smile on my face.)

    I understand struggling with religion, I do. I don’t blindly follow. I have my own struggles and issues. But I have also been saved by my faith in God and Jesus, and I have been on the receiving end of miracles. I can’t walk away from that. I can only pray for the victims and the perpetrators. That God heal the former and have mercy on the latter. Or not, as S/He sees fit. I have always believed that there is a special place in Hell for people who hurt children. Even nuns and priests.

    Peace.
    .-= red pen mama´s last blog ..The Great Twitter Experiment of 2010 =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 9:25 am

    This post wasn’t a survey, so I didn’t link all the articles that I could have. Links were there to point people to the stories I was talking about – not citations of evidence. (And Gawker did a good job of rounding up stories on the scandal across various media and summing up some of the claims being made, which is why I cited them. NYT wrote a lot of articles, too, but they were longer.

    The fact remains that the Church has been largely on the defensive, addressing the problem primarily as a matter of gossip (their word) and persecution. It has not fully addressed the issue of priests being protected and shuffled around, and when taken to task on that, plays the persecution card (it compared itself to Christ being persecuted, it compared itself to Jews being persecuted. I think that the implication in so many of the Easter sermons is clear – God *is* on its side, and its critics are on the wrong side of God. When the Church wraps itself in that kind of rhetoric, it IS saying that what it does is right by God.) (Also, papal infallibility? A cornerstone of Catholicism is that the Pope has a special line to God. Stuff like this makes that difficult to accept. If the Pope has a direct line to God, why isn’t God saying TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY. STOP BLAMING CRITICS. DO NOT COMPARE YOURSELF TO JEWS. DO NOT BLAME HOMOSEXUALS. ETC.) Also: I didn’t say that the Church supports child abuse – that’s a misreading. I said that the Church has put protecting itself first and taking full responsibility second, which I think is wrong. And it breaks my heart.

    I was raised Catholic, and most of my years as a Catholic were happy ones. I think that I made it clear that my heart has always rested with the Church, and this has shattered a faith that I protected. Lots of religious institutions get it wrong, yes – but this is an appalling kind of wrong, one that strikes at the heart of papal authority.

    I encourage you to read the comments. They’re very civil, and also full of heartache. There are no pitchforks out. Just broken hearts.

    red pen mama April 7, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I did read the comments, and I concur. I wish it were simpler for everyone.

    And I agree that the Church made mistakes; the Church agrees that it made mistakes. I just think the publicity goes to the ones who spoke wrongly. If that makes sense.

    And the Easter sermon I heard on Sunday had nothing to do with this. It was heartbreaking to me in a completely different way. And that’s what I keep in mind: that these scandals and the cover-ups and the abuse of power is not what my faith or religion are about. Like another commenter said earlier: 99% of religious people are not like this, do not support what is being said, and are appalled, too, at those who have been in the media saying stupid stuff.

    It’s like the war thing (if I can go out on a limb here): Anyone claiming God is on our side and that means we can kill you has it completely, totally, 100% wrong. If those bishops/cardinals say, well God’s on our side so we can cover-up crimes, then they, too, are 100% wrong. And I would turn away from that man, those men — but not from my faith.
    .-= red pen mama´s last blog ..The Great Twitter Experiment of 2010 =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Also, yes, God and Jesus are about love. That’s a big part of my point (underscored by my citation of Katherine Mansfield’s poem). How can anyone believe in Jesus – the Jesus of the Gospels – and NOT believe that he weeps for what happened to those children, and that he is appalled that men of the Church are claiming persecution for being held to account for this? I have no doubt that he would forgive – but that does not mean that he would accept their behavior as right, or demand that we not call it what it is.

    red pen mama April 7, 2010 at 11:51 am

    I agree. They are doing it wrong — not all of them. But enough of them to hurt. A lot.
    .-= red pen mama´s last blog ..The Great Twitter Experiment of 2010 =-.

    kootnygirl April 7, 2010 at 9:09 am

    It is astounding to me that the Catholic church (as in, the Institution) is continuing to deny/avoid/excuse the ongoing abuse. Also astounding to me is that the congregation is allowing it to happen. Compare it to the abuse in the residential schools here in Canada, and the steps that are being taken toward Truth & Reconciliation. While not perfect, at least the general public has insisted on acknowledgement and some kind of action for those victims. In the Catholic church? Not so much.

    Like an earlier commenter, I too think that forbidding priests to marry invites a disproportionate number of abusers into those particular positions of power. I have more to say on that, but it is probably too controversial to put in a comment on someone else’s blog.
    .-= kootnygirl´s last blog ..you’re no fool =-.

    LD April 7, 2010 at 9:17 am

    I was raised Baptist not Catholic.
    But …
    A lot of what you said applied to me. I had my own challenges in the church, and I was pretty damaged by some of the stuff that I dealt with.
    (and I won’t get into my emotional rant).
    I can clearly remember the moment I realized that in my life I need to separate God and the church. I was 18.
    Recently, I read the Shack, and though I don’t fully agree with the whole thing, that feeling that God is so much more than people resounded with me.
    What’s always struck me is that we put these people in such positions of power – and then expect that they are somehow closer to God. And we trust them with so much. And, we tend to forget that they are people just as fallible and susceptible to doing wrong as we are.
    And then we are shocked that people who are given so much power and control and trust abuse it.
    (and please don’t read that as me justifying their actions)
    To me, the people who I think of as being somehow “closer” to God – or the people I trust the most when it comes to figuring out my faith, are the people who are the most humble. The people like my Grandma who was the kindest sweetest woman, whose faith was immense and who could not have cared less about the hierarchy of church.
    The faith I want my children to have is the one where they know that God is God – not the church and not the people.
    Beautiful post.
    .-= LD´s last blog ..Joy! =-.

    a April 7, 2010 at 10:34 am

    I think you’ve hit the nail directly on the head here…Priests are in positions of power. Power corrupts. While “vocation” is supposed to overcome the corruption, history of the Popes shows that it doesn’t happen. You don’t see too many Popes who are also saints.
    .-= a´s last blog ..An open letter to Kodak =-.

    Jen April 7, 2010 at 9:41 am

    GREAT POST! I have friends of many different faiths and we have all come to the agreement, regardless of the different faiths here on earth when we get to heaven there will be no theology, only God.

    Miss Britt April 7, 2010 at 9:50 am

    I can understand that it’s tempting for many to walk away from the Church. It can feel like staying is a silent act of accepting the sins of the leaders.

    But every time I consider leaving… all I can think about is the faith. The actual beliefs that define the Church. The reasons I chose Catholicism. The Holy Eucharist, for example, which cannot be emulated in any other church.

    I can’t deny that those beliefs speak to my soul, no matter how angry I am at the people, because with Catholicism, the Church is so, so much more than a human organization.
    .-= Miss Britt´s last blog ..The Week Of Meh =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 10:09 am

    I agree, I really do, that the Church is much more than a human organization. And I love the Church that is that ‘more’. But, yeah, it’s the fear that embracing the Church implies embracing the sins of the leaders that holds me back from returning.

    I struggle with this, I really do.

    Janet April 7, 2010 at 9:50 am

    My husband and I were both raised in the Catholic faith, although he went to church every Sunday; I only went when Grandma was visiting. We were married in the Catholic church. Two of our kids are baptized Catholic…but we just couldn’t do it for the third child. We don’t attend the Catholic church any longer. When we do go to church, it’s to another Christian church that feels more natural to us.

    I agree that the Latin Mass can be beautiful, steeped in tradition and comforting rituals. Yet I have always had a problem with, what seemed to me, archaic rules. Why can’t priests be married men with families? Why can’t women administer the Mass? I would certainly relate to them more easily if that were the case. I tend to think such an atmosphere would make it more difficult for the deviates and creeps to hide behind the cloak of “tradition.”
    .-= Janet´s last blog ..No Words =-.

    Kathy April 7, 2010 at 9:54 am

    I am an Orthodox Christian. Our church is rich in ritual but surprisingly much more progressive in many ways. There is no Pope/infallible leader, priests can marry and divorce/remarriage is permitted. As with any religion there are politics and problems but they don’t seem to interfere with MY relationship with God.

    It troubles me that the Catholic Church seems to want to bury it’s collective head in the sand.

    maresi April 7, 2010 at 10:00 am

    You might find this blog post on the subject pretty interesting. The author is a convert to Catholicism.
    http://www.conversiondiary.com/2010/04/safe-miracles.html
    .-= maresi´s last blog ..today =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 10:14 am

    That IS a really interesting post. There’s much that I agree with there – but some things that I don’t. I’ll have to think about it – much food for thought. Thank you!

    Jennifer (Conversion Diary) April 7, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Oh, hey, that’s so funny — I’m a reader of your blog and was going to leave a comment, then saw that someone had linked to my post. Thanks, Maresi!

    I love your post; thoughtful, insightful and thought-provoking, as always. Of all the zillions of words I’ve read about this issue, you are one of the few people who cuts to the heart of the matter: is this Church guided by God, or not? And what are we to make of it in the wake of the scandals?

    One thing I would offer…and I am VERY hesitant to say this in case it comes out the wrong way (I’ve had this comment box open for about 30 minutes now, trying to make sure I say it right) is that there is some bias going on here in the way things are being reported. I am not at all saying that everyone involved is innocent, just that every one of us walks around with our own biases — issues that set us off, people and institutions we love and hate — and that those circumstances are going to come into play when we encounter these subjects that really get our emotions going — and journalists are no exception.

    I first found your blog when you wrote that awesome Bad Mother Manifesto. Ya know how I found it? From reading something someone wrote saying that there’s this blogger who called herself “Her Bad Mother” who advocates for blowing off parental responsibility and embracing neglectful parenting. I laughed out loud when I read your post for myself, and saw how someone who obviously had a strong emotional reaction to this issue had taken a grain of what you wrote and misconstrued it to entirely misrepresent your post.

    The analogy isn’t perfect, because your post was perfect and there actually *has* been grave wrongdoing in the Church. But I think it’s a good lesson on this or any other issue, that sometimes the full story isn’t being presented.

    Anyway, again, thanks for a thought-provoking post. Feel free to email me any time if you want to chat about any of this!
    .-= Jennifer (Conversion Diary)´s last blog ..Safe miracles =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    I may take you up on that, Jennifer – I found your post fascinating and moving and it tugged at that part of my heart that still feels Catholic.

    I know that there is always more to the story, that we only ever approach anything resembling truth *partially*. And that gives me hope, and a little bit of fear, and a lot of wonder.

    I’m not sure what I’ll do with that yet.

    (In the meantime – I’d love if you’d weigh in on one of the discussions below, responding to the HuffPo link ;) – I had a question or two about how far we, as Catholics, are supposed to take respect for the Pope and other authority figures in the Church. When they say or do things that seem wrong to us, how do we reconcile that with the idea that, for example, the Pope is – sometimes, anyway- supposed to be infallible?)

    Forgotten April 7, 2010 at 10:22 am

    The ritual of the Catholic church had my attention at some point in time. My OCD personality type was drawn to it like a moth to light but I couldn’t bring myself to join.

    I agree that the things they have done are wrong but I also ask the question that may get me stoned. Where were the parents? How do you not know that your child is not happy being around these type of people? Someone had to know that something was wrong and no one questioned any of it at the time it was occuring.

    I understand that you are supposed to be able to trust these people around your children but have the actions of the world not taught us anything? Trust no one until they can prove that they are trustworthy. Don’t leave your children in the hands of strangers without knowing full stop that they are safe, no matter what the title before or after the stranger’s name may say.
    .-= Forgotten´s last blog ..My First Birth Story, Part 3 (or how I ended up with twins…) =-.

    DianaCLT April 7, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Parents can be right there, and have no clue. I was molested. Not by any priest or clergy member, but my mom’s dad (I don’t consider anyone that does such a thing a “grandpa.” Being a grandpa is an honor one has to earn with proper and abundant love and playtime. ;) ). My parents had no idea. In an ideal world, my mom’s dad would have/should have been safe and trustworthy. In an ideal world – they would have somehow just known something bad was happening. In an ideal world, this stuff wouldn’t happen to anyone, at the hands of anyone.

    I’m not verbally stoning you. Just presenting a perspective maybe not considered. Those who are abused aren’t wearing signs that announce to the world what is happening, or who is doing it. If one’s “grandpa” cannot be trusted…who can?

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    I’m so, so sorry.

    And such an important point to raise. Thank you.

    Forgotten April 7, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    I can and do understand how this type of thing occurs, but I also stand as a parent who believes it is my job to protect my little ones from everything. I believe there should be safeguards in place to ensure that this can’t happen to children; such as many adults present and easily viewable areas where children who attend churches and church functions can be closely monitored by many people and not just one. If you never give something like this the opportunity to occur then the worry of more children being molested at the idle hands of perverted clergymen (or women) can be almost eliminated.
    And I know that such precautions are time consuming and costly but aren’t the costs worth it if it saves one child from the horror of such evil acts?
    .-= Forgotten´s last blog ..My First Birth Story, Part 3 (or how I ended up with twins…) =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 11, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    It’s amazing to me after so much history of abuse in the Church and in schools and in organizations like Boy Scouts that there still aren’t reliable safeguards.

    a April 7, 2010 at 10:42 am

    I am still a Catholic, by belief, by faith, but not by practice. I was 13 years old when I decided that priests and nuns were no closer to God than I was – after all, they are still people. They are not capable of interpreting God’s will any better than I can. So, I pick and chose which beliefs I accept. Any hierarchy of man (i.e. priests, bishops, cardinals, popes) is a construct, and not relevant. I wish they would accept their failings and take responsibility for their actions. Until that portion of the church is changed, I won’t bother being a member.
    .-= a´s last blog ..An open letter to Kodak =-.

    Laura (Nahbee) April 7, 2010 at 10:49 am

    I’ve walked away from a Catholic childhood. I miss it sometimes. Someone else mentioned the rituals and I find that it is taking time to build new rituals and find a new space for myself with those rituals. Slowly though, it is happening.

    The deep sadness I feel in this post touched me to my core, because I too feel that sadness.

    Her Bad Mother April 11, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    *sigh* *HUG*

    mimi April 7, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Hi C. I shoulda known you were raised Catholic. Me too.

    The church chased me away long ago. I just cannot get past its fundamental misogyny, nor past its fundamental patriarchy, which are two different but related issues. I have trouble reconciling the Jesus we learned so much about in Catholic school, poring over the new testament with the established church and how it operates in the world. They are so far apart …

    Because my whole childhood was Catholic, yes, sometimes I miss the singing and the incense and the rituals and shaking hands with everyone–Peace be with you!–but I miss it the way I miss Family Ties reruns after school, lying on the rug in front of the TV.

    Even my mom has renounced the church these last couple of years. For her, it was the hassle they put up around baptising the grandkids. So bureaucratic and petty.
    .-= mimi´s last blog ..Tighter, Closer, Sweeter =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 11, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    We can usually sense each other, can’t we? I’m never surprised when I find out ;)

    (Family Ties reruns analogy: PERFECT. Also: Brady Bunch.)

    Asa's Mummy April 7, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Such a beautiful post, so eloquently written. Thank you.

    Thank you also for beginning to untangle the questions of Church, God and Faith. The Church, whether Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican or anything, is a human construct – people gathered to try to decipher how God wants us to live, and how the Bible applies to our modern lives. The problem, of course, with human institutions is that they are fallible, and Tradition is often confused with Scripture and Inspiration… to the point where Tradition is what becomes truly influential. Like the position of women in the church – Jesus had female followers – Mary Magdalene (not a prostitute, btw – that is nowhere in the Bible), Martha of Bethany, and many others. Paul lists many women among his deacons and sponsors – Phoebe, Thecla, Junia, Priscilla. Yet we read Church tradition back onto those women, with blatant anachronism, to make them distinctly “less than”. This is a product of the Church, not of God.

    As for God’s own self… we may begin to know God through Scripture, especially (if one is Christian) through the Gospels, and Jesus’ instructions and parables. We may read these stories, with the intelligence with which God has endowed us, and with the humility necessary to understand that the human mind is not large enough to truly comprehend the entirety of the divine. And I, for one, read great love and compassion for humanity in these stories – the Prodigal Son, the beatitudes, the warnings about judgment and righteousness and vanity. I read love in the idea that God might take on human form, not only to teach us but to humble Godself before us, that we might be humble before one another. It’s awesome, it’s radical, it’s inspiringly powerful.

    And faith… we use it badly as a noun, and take from it the idea that it’s either something we have or something we don’t. As a verb it makes more sense, being something that is constantly a work in progress – a conversation, a struggle, a relationship.

    I applaud you for being willing to hold this conversation, and especially for holding it publicly. If more people were honest about the fluid nature of faith, perhaps more people would be willing to try it – and those human institutions would be the healthier for it.

    Peace to you,
    Pastor E B-T
    .-= Asa’s Mummy´s last blog ..The Lifestyle =-.

    But Why Mommy April 7, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Thank you for writing this. I have been going through something similar and don’t know what to do. I wanted to go back to the Church but I just can’t do it right now given the failings of the men in charge. I struggle with this though because being Catholic was such a part of who I was as a child and I want my children to have something similar.
    .-= But Why Mommy´s last blog ..Remembering =-.

    Gappy April 7, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    I really thought that this was an intelligent and thoughtful post.

    Like most people I am disgusted by the Catholic churches response to all the evidence of its own collusion with child sexual abuse.

    I am personally an atheist, but I’m still interested in where other peoples beliefs lie. Thanks for being so open about yours.
    .-= Gappy´s last blog ..A Poem =-.

    Jill April 7, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    This is exactly how I’ve been feeling. I’m new to your blog, but this resonates with me. I’m Catholic and confirmed, but have stepped away from all religions in the past few years b/c of some emotional issues. I just can’t reconcile the teachings of God and Jesus with the people claiming to be “Christian” or “Catholic” and then their actions are anything but kind (and that’s putting it mildly). But you’ve offered another perspective and I thank you for it. When you get it all figured out, kindly let us know :) and I’ll do the same!

    Danica April 7, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    I feel in my heart the need to respond. I’m not Catholic and have never been involved in the Catholic world. All of those things, though I’ve heard of them, seem so far away from my and my experience.
    I know that they’re real though.
    And I am a Christian woman. And I consider myself a part of “the Church.” Even just a small, faraway part of it.
    I work at a church. Not a very important job – I’m the janitor. But I do work there, I do volunteer to help with a lot of the programs. I’m involved. Although it’s not perfect, and I still chose to work there even though I don’t agree with everything that goes on there. My church doesn’t have a lot of controversy in it. But every church has some brokenness because we’re made up of broken people. This ranges from the small imperfections, to blindness to social injustices, to huge sins such as sexual abuse within our own walls. My church seems faraway from the controversy, but I know as part of “the Church” we’re all somehow responsible. I’m responsible.
    Christians like myself have not been vigilant enough about what is going wrong all around us. We have not been willing to be shaken out of our own comfort. Things like this happen because we turn our eyes away or neglect or refuse to get involved where we sense trouble. I can’t take responsibility for the specific sins of those priests, because I did not commit them. I do, however, apologize for my own apathy.
    Can you forgive?
    .-= Danica´s last blog ..Catch-up Chat =-.

    Her Bad Mother April 7, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    This is, possibly, the most beautiful, generous response to this whole issue. You’ve given me much to think about.

    Little Green Mom April 7, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    As another reformed Catholic, I hear where you’re coming from. I, too, am struggling to find some kind of faith that exists apart from the Church. I know that the Church, as a human institution, is inherently flawed. But until it acknowledges said flaws and fast-forwards to the 21st Century, I won’t step through its doors and adopt its message of intolerance (to gays, etc) because I know it is NOT at all what Jesus meant. Most of the worlds wrongs are committed in the name of God. I don’t want to add to those numbers, or condone those wrongs. What is the answer? A personal brand of spirituality? I know the core of faith is community, so where do you turn? My most recent post questions whether it is right to perpetuate religious myth to our children…
    .-= Little Green Mom´s last blog ..Little white lies and a whole lotta chocolate =-.

    marcy April 8, 2010 at 1:45 am

    Another fallen Catholic, and I too have been spending the days since this latest chapter in the ever-growing book of abuse considering its impact on my own faith. I have been thinking about how easily I walked away from Catholicism in my teens, how quickly I detached myself from the heavy-handed rules, the intolerance. I miss the beautiful rituals, the history– but I won’t go back. I want to root my children in faith and in love, and I feel as though the Church only offers the former.

    I know plenty of Catholics without intolerant convictions– Catholics who vote for Pro-Choice candidates, Catholics who support stem-cell research and gay marriage and birth control. I don’t understand it. I do not know how to separate very personal moral convictions from very personal religious ones. They are one in the same to me. These are not gray area issues in my mind, and not up for debate. I can’t change in and out of them like clothes.

    While I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, this scandal does throw a shadow over the entire Church, and I can’t separate my convictions concerning these abuses any more than I can other Catholic imperatives.

    I had a conversation with my Catholic mother and her rather disturbing Catholic fiance over Easter dinner about this issue, and I was shocked with their answer. Moments after my mother (in regards to another conversation) notes that there is nothing worse than the abuse of children, I casually ask if these abuses have been mentioned in their Church.

    Their answer: we don’t know that much about it.

    (!)

    Emboldened by their answer, I proceed to explain the last 5 weeks of news– I gloss over it, but don’t spare major events. And they… change the subject to croutons.

    I don’t know how to make a distinction between my waking life and my spiritual one. Maybe that ability is what separates those who attend services from those who don’t.

    But hey, at least we’re not baptizing people in the name of jewish holocaust victims. that nova special on the morman faith this week made me feel like the normal family on the block.

    carrien (she laughs at the days) April 8, 2010 at 2:26 am

    I didn’t grow up in THE church, though I did grow up in church. One of the things I have grown to appreciate about most of the protestant tradition is the way they have avoided making such absolute claims about being “The spokespeople for God” or some such, and rather acknowledge that we are all in this together, and all seeking to understand and live according to the revelation of grace we have been given.

    (Not that I don’t think most of the Catholics I know are not dear, faithful and devoted people who are full of the grace of God.)

    Coming from that tradition I have no problem making the mental distinction between those who are in “the Body of Christ” as it is described in the Bible, and those who attend the socioeconomic political institution we commonly refer to as church. Sure there will be some overlaps, most in “the body of Christ” are members of a “church”. But I neither expect, nor am I surprised to discover that many people at “church” leaders congregants or otherwise do not actually fit into what is described as the “body of Christ”, namely, those who look like Jesus and have his spirit in them.

    I’m shocked that anyone would sanely try to consider membership in an organization as synonymous with being representative of Christ. How is that even a remotely conceivable idea?
    .-= carrien (she laughs at the days)´s last blog ..For my daddy =-.

    Jessi April 8, 2010 at 9:51 am

    I’ll probably regret hitting publish on this comment, too.

    I don’t believe that the church was ever supposed to be a Church. I believe that the church was established as a gathering place for believers, a support group, if you will. To support each other and to support their own communities through missional work. When the church takes on a capital C, it starts to make rules and cast judgements and it becomes it’s own entity. One that rivals God.

    The early churches had no “priests” or “preachers,” they had teachers and leaders, individuals who led in whatever way they were qualified and called to lead. But it was always a body. A body whose head was Christ, not some guy in a hat.

    I don’t hold anything against Catholicism. Certainly, I believe that it has the right idea about some issues (confession, I really wish we had that, for one) but I can’t seem to reconcile the structure and the enormity of the church with what I see as the purpose of the church.

    All this is to say that I appreciate your struggle. I do. I have, and I guess to some extent, will always have struggles with faith too. But I believe that finding a home in church is not the first step. The first step is to determine what you believe and then find a home in a church that either shares that belief with you or can appreciate and honor that belief.

    In any case, if there is one thing of which I am sure, it is that God will still be there waiting patiently when we figure it out.

    Cassie Boorn April 8, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    This post is so close to home. I grew up in the catholic church and have some of the same issues.

    The vatican has asserted itself such power that the people of the church actually hold very little. When a political or social issue is at hand the vatican holds a position and whether you agree or not there is some sort of connection between you and their convictions.

    Also, the stories of the saint are beautful. They are moving and heartfelt. However, if you put down a catholic saint book and pick up some primary writings from these people…you will find some major issues. Smoke and mirrors are everywhere.

    This comment could go on and on. But I shall stop here. :)

    p.s. this is not meant to offend any catholics. I have a whole family of catholics that i love and adore
    .-= Cassie Boorn´s last blog ..The Power of Social Media =-.

    Connor April 8, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    “going to church makes you no more a christian/catholic than standing in a garage makes you a car”

    Its not where you go, but what you do that makes you who you are. Every person responsable for their own action? I dont personallly believe in god, I’m agnostic, but what I do believe is if he does exists then entrance to heaven wont be baised on if you followed the rules a human wrote in a book so many years ago, but more on if you lived life to its fullest and to the best of your ability. If you were a jerk and treated people badly all your life, but followed the rules in the book, your not gunna be awarded with everafter in paradise, you’ll suffer for your actions to other people. Karma I guess.

    Connor April 8, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Isn’t every person*

    Pamela April 9, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Reading your post brought back some childhood memories for me, having been brought up Catholic and having attended a Catholic school for the first 12 years of my life. I witnessed a lot of abuse of power, including verbal & physical abuse. Later, I found out about the sexual abuse that went on in a neighboring parish. That’s about the time I lost my faith in any kind of organized religion. After being told that Catholics were the “chosen ones” by people who were abusing children, I could no longer trust or believe anything they said.
    .-= Pamela ´s last blog ..Cult of Personality =-.

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